Leaked Audio From 11/12/13

BJU News has obtained audio from yesterday’s chapel sermon, the second from this week devoted to the topic of homosexuality. Yesterday’s sermons is here.

BJU confirmed yesterday it will not be posting these sermons to Sermon Audio as it normally does (UPDATE: After we leaked the audio from all five sessions, BJU has released them as well. The Q&A session, however, was not released and remains available only here).

The audio is posted to our Leaked Files page, or you can find it below.

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[audio http://audiofarm.org/everyidleword/audiofile/24114.mp3]

3 thoughts on “Leaked Audio From 11/12/13

  1. A James

    I would guess it is their right to not make the sermons available, but surely they know how it would have caused less of a scene if they had proceeded as usual with making them available.
    Do I understand correctly that in Monday’s message he threatened that if the person who wrote the threatening letter didn’t turn himself in and was later found out, that person would be expelled? What happened to their neo-fundy touchy-feely mentoring the person out of their sin in regard to that person? Not that I am not repulsed by the letter, but I’m just looking for consistency….

  2. Anna

    Saw this link in a friend’s FB post and had to check it out. Interesting.

    In response to the previous reply about expulsion vs. mentoring, I assume BJU has a sort of levels-of-offense, like our court system or workplaces or other universities. More minor offenses allow for rehabilitative measures, but some offenses are over-the-top and must be dealt with assertively. Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is way beyond a mere mentoring situation; it’s a safety threat to one or more members of the student body, not to mention the legal issues that could arise from that type of bullying.

    I listened to the first sermon, and I think Stephen Jones seems to be very fair in his approach. I don’t have to agree with his conclusions to respect his manner of addressing the subject.

    There’s no name-calling. He says he has close friends who are homosexual, that homosexuals are nice people, that bullying is unacceptable and that whoever wrote that nasty letter to a gay student will be expelled. He also says that God loves homosexuals. For being anti-gay, he’s being pretty generous with his compliments.

    As far as his approach to the Bible side of things, he does seem to address the opposing arguments logically, pointing out alleged flaws and citing specific quotations from the text. I don’t know enough about the Bible to know what’s missing, but he certainly didn’t sound like the gay-blasting, Bible-thumping preacher I’d expect. He approached the issue in a manner that’s almost scholarly.

    If Jones is being that considerate of the homosexual community he opposes on religious grounds, I really feel like homosexual supporters should return the same respect to him and the organization he represents. We don’t have to agree in order to be polite to each other.

  3. A James

    Thanks so much for your response, summary, and perspective. I am not sure how to describe my concerns, so bear with me through my attempt at reasoning it out. Truly I am okay with expulsion for threatening a fellow student in this way. The concern lies in consistency. I consider how they are making such an emphasis these days on being more compassionate. Less emphasis on rules and more on discipleship. If the bully is discovered, repents, accepts guidance…that would seem to be the new BJU way. I just read through the Student Handbook available online. Yes, it does list some offenses that result in immediate suspension–“major moral failure, including immorality, hardcore pornography, sensual behavior, or use of alcohol and drugs” along with a few other miscellaneous situations. I just wonder legally and fairly should they not have it in writing if bullying is grounds for suspension. They are being generous to those with SSA. Which other temptation gets a whole week of chapel messages dedicated to it along with a Student Body Question Answer Session at the end of the week. I don’t know the ramifications of this generosity. How long will they let someone struggle with it before acknowledging that this could also become a safety threat–affecting someone else for life–should they act upon their temptations. When does it become a “major moral failure.” I do not know enough about the stages of homosexuality to answer those questions, but could it not also at some point be long-term damage to another person (shall we call it abuse?) should they act on the temptation. As you said with the bullying, this could also lead to some serious legal ramifications. Given the closeness of a dorm room, the opportunities available to work with children, and the proximity of the temptation…I don’t know. Maybe what I’m trying to say is that the bullying is serious, but so is knowing where to draw the line when being gracious to a homosexual in a campus atmosphere. What was that guy’s name? Bartosch? Immediately fired for something he had done in the past? What about one tempted with abusing children? Didn’t it turn some of our stomachs when they chose to have Phelps speak to the BJA students? I would think many parents in the past chose BJU because it was a safer haven than most places. Depending on why BJU is being overly generous to this topic…to correct past fundamentalism errors? to reinvent themselves? to try to appease some of the blogs that accuse them of so much? to do some damage control in light of GRACE Investigations? to reinvent themselves as they are trying to do in other areas? Depending on the why it will be a tough path to be consistent and to prove to the constituency that they are continuing to be fair and protective for the entire student body.

    I am acquainted with former homosexuals that have been saved for several years now. In conversation, they acknowledge anger at those opposed to them when they were in rebellion, and they acknowledge the hurt of rejection when they were struggling. They do not hesitate though, now at this point in their lives, to understand how Christians would want to be cautious and protective against their influence when they were in that sin. Now that they have experienced the light of His glorious grace, they would not desire others to travel that dark road.

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