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BJU Responds to Our “Character Probation” Post, Contests Details

Responding to our leaked document posted yesterday, BJU PR man and conservative political activist Randy Page commented on a BJU News Facebook post in an attempt to clarify the school’s “Character Probation” program.

Page did not contest the legitimacy of the letter we posted.

Instead, commenting as the official BJU Facebook account, Page claimed that the program is not new and is minor in scope. This conflicts a few details our source provided us with yesterday.

Click here to see Page’s comment on Facebook, or see below for a screenshot.




Collegian Quietly Changes its Infamous “Bitterness” Article, Here’s a Comparison

Presumably responding to a chorus of outrage from its detractors as well as its supporters, BJU has changed a now-infamous article from this week’s Collegian which repeatedly called critics “bitter.” The new version now only allows for the possibility that anyone who disagrees with the school’s handling of the GRACE investigation is deficient spiritually, as well as incorrect.

The revised version claims that the original version “inadvertently implied that every person who posted dissenting opinions on Facebook was bitter” but that “that was not the intention of this piece.”

Below is a .pdf of the changes. You can find more documents like this on our Scribd page.

Dave Doran Takes on the “Ungodly Attacks” of BJU’s Victims and Critics

In a new post on his Glory and Grace blog, Detroit-area BJU grad and pastor Dave Doran (who doesn’t list his BJU degree on his church site, by the way,), took aim at the “distractions, distortions and deceptions” of certain unnamed “character assassins” who have recently tried to “derail” ministries and leaders. 

This isn’t the first time that Doran has attempted to rally the faithful during a time of “persecution” against “good godly men.” In November 2011, as a petition demanding that BJU remove disgraced pastor Chuck Phelps from its Board picked up steam, Doran took to his blog to rail against online petitions. ” I don’t see how online petitions fit within a biblical framework for these things,” Doran wrote, seemingly ignoring the fact that many of that petition’s signers also contacted the school directly, or didn’t fit into Doran’s “biblical” paradigm and were just outraged that BJU allowed a rape apologist to remain on its staff

This time, though, as BJU again makes national headlines for its treatment of victims, Doran’s defense of the school seems to be a solitary one. We haven’t heard any other voices being raised to defend BJU’s firing of GRACE.

Doran’s criticism of these “ungodly attacks” as originating from the “echo chamber” of a Facebook page misses the fact that many of the criticisms of BJU’s handling of the GRACE situation came on BJU’s own page, and were made by long-time supporters of the school. Doran’s attempt to marginalize the critics as those who “scream louder, fight dirtier, and use the internet to bully their way forward” is undercut by a comment like this, one of over two hundred made on BJU’s Facebook page:


Doran also conveniently ignores the testimony of victims who say they were neglected and ignored after being abused at BJU. To Doran, these horrific stories are just “distractions” that shouldn’t be allowed to distract pastors and colleges. Nor does Doran consider the fact that some of BJU’s critics at this time, particularly those who have been lifelong supporters of the school, might be trying to help it by bringing more accountability and protecting the school from legal action or further embarrassment. In Doran’s world, anything less than a full defense of BJU is apparently equal to an “ungodly attack.”

Doran’s stubborn defense of BJU is even more puzzling after this post he wrote back in March of 2013 condemning Jack Schaap and calling for increased transparency and  “a higher commitment to God and His Word than our ‘circles’ and institutions.” Apparently, Doran only feels these concerns are valid for those outside his own “circle”; an institution like BJU is just too close to home for him and must be defended at all costs. 

The 5 Best Comments on Bob Jones III’s Chuck Phelps Defense

This past weekend, we were given an audio recording of a meeting between a BJU alumnus and Bob Jones III that took place in 2011. The meeting was conducted in order ask Jones why BJU was continuing to defend embattled pastor and BJU grad Chuck Phelps. The Phelps scandal became national news at that time after a 20/20 investigation examined the failure of Phelps and others to treat a rape victim in Phelps’ church with anything resembling compassion or justice.

While the transcript of this meeting had been available for awhile now, an audio version is only now being heard, here. It’s made quite an impression on the internet, piling up hundreds of YouTube views and bringing over 10,000 visitors to this site. Much of the most interesting commentary, however, has been at Stuff Fundies Like, one of the first and still the most popular of the ex-fundamentalist sites. Here are our top 5 comments from around the web summarizing Jones’ response as heard on our recording (which you can listen to here):

1, From commenter CS on Stuff Fundies Like:

“Dear SFL Reader:

Years ago, I served on a committee mandated to investigate allegations of abuse by church leaders – sexual, physical or psychological. We soon learned that abusers retain an extensive array of verbal stratagems that includes [but is not limited to] rationalizing, blame shifting, non-answers, irrelevant statements, evasive answers, denials, minimizing of one’s role in the abuse, minimizing the wrongness of the abuse, reshaping the meaning of statements or events, doubting/questioning/discounting facts, counter explanations, challenging of the questions and the questioning the questioner’s motives. The list is seemingly endless.

Those involved in such inquiries see abusers adopt and use such stratagems time and again as standard linguistic convention. Abusers fall onto these conventions and speech patterns to hedge themselves, to guard their careers, and to present themselves in the best possible light. And they do it all the time.

As a committee, we also role played scenarios where someone posed as an abuser. This was an illuminating experience. Even among themselves, committee members found that tempers flare at evasive, sleaze-driven replies. Those who posed as abusers reported feeling very uncomfortable as they played out the exercise.

Over time, our committee learned that every interruption resulted in a 2-4 minute reminder of the gravity of the accusations, their hurtfulness, followed by reminders of the difficulty of pastoral ministry, and that they [the abuser] agreed to be interviewed, an appeal for fairness, an appeal to let procedure do its work, etc., etc.

Those who role-played as abusers said repeatedly that they lengthened replies as much as possible hoping to wear-down committee, and to expire committee’s time and thus evade delving deeply into the issues at hand.

Committee eventually realized that most often, the best approach was to say nothing, thereby feeding rope endlessly until the one being questioned hung themselves with it. In other words, we allowed people to talk about multiple things to reveal their character.

From my perspective, the clip’s significance is this: Bob Jones III adopts and uses adroitly linguistic conventions employed consistently by perpetrators of spiritual, sexual and physical abuse. This doesn’t address whether or not Triplesticks has ever abused; it merely notes that under questioning, he adopts linguistic thinking/speaking patterns that are indistinguishable from the former.

Earlier, I implied that the list of conventions was not exhaustive, but merely representative. We could easily add duplicitous hypocrisy. While feigning accountability, abusers/Bob Jones III consistently refuse accountability to any outside authority. They do this precisely by relying on answers that are not answers, and then dismiss further questions in the pretense that they have answered. That sounds like a denial of accountability to me.

Why does [Bob Jones III] employ the linguistic convention of abusive persons?”

2. From Bald BJU Grad on Stuff Fundies Like:

1. I am a BJU grad.
2. I had to go to another school after BJU to get an accredited degree to even become a cop.
3. I’ve had a fine career as a cop. I now oversee the police and fire service in my town.
4. I’m planning on retiring in 2 or 3 years.
5. I listened to the entire audio that Darrell posted.
6. Chuck Phelps’s guy had sex with a 15 year old female.
7. Under the law, a 15 year old is INCAPABLE of giving consent to a sex act.
8. Chuck Phelps blamed the 15 year old girl, and made her get up and apologize to the congregation.
9. Bob Jones kept Chuck Phelps on their board of trustees after all of this came to light.BJIII even defended Chuck Phelps in humilitating the victim.
10. Both Bob Jones III and Chuck Phelps are defenders of the rapist, and are complicit in blaming this little girl who was victimized before she was old enough to give consent to having sex.

11. I bet Jesus is proud of both of them.

3. From Facebook:

“It’s difficult for me to even type after listening to this because I’m so angry that a man in his position of power can be a rape apologist and not be held accountable. I’ll just say that when I was raped in my IFB community, no one wanted to help me. No one listened. And it was exactly the arguments that Bob Jones III used here that were used to silence me: questioning whether I “wanted it” (even though legally I was far too young to give consent and even though my rapist was an authority figure and repeatedly blackmailed me into silence). Thank God I stopped listening to the rape apologists and got justice for myself and my family. Men like Bob Jones III who defend the powerful and abuse the powerless will have a lot to answer for some day.”

4. Sent to us via email:

“Just finished listening to your recording of Bob Jones III defending Phelps and in general being a complete jerk to that poor woman. All I can say is that if any man I knew spoke about these matters in the way this “godly, wise” man does here, he would get a mouthful from me. To think that the kids who go to this school are duped into believing they’re in a safe environment is astounding. Is this the school’s official position, that 15 year olds can legally consent to sex? There are grade schools at BJU. Kids who are, ultimately, under the policies and philosophy that this evil man sets. Do parents know about this? Do the kids? I hope they listen.”

5. From our site:

Nothing BJ3 says surprises me, although this recording is pretty awful. A question for prospective students and parents: if you or your child are mistreated on campus, is this how it will be handled? Would you want to be spoken of in the way BJ3 speaks of a rape victim? Shudders.

BJU Admits Declining Enrollment, Claims it as a Strategy in Facebook Post

In a comment made on its Alumni Facebook page today, BJU confirmed the assertions made by this site (and many others) that its enrollment has decreased significantly in recent years, and that the decrease signals a paradigm change for the school.

Direct link to the comment thread here.


This remarkable admission does put an interesting spin on the facts, however: the school, or at least this particular page administrator, suggests that the reduced number of students is intentional. It’s not clear by what process BJU has “become more selective in finding the right fit students,” as its never been known for turning down any student who confesses Christianity and has tuition money in-hand. Further, BJU has certainly hinted, however tentatively, at “change” in recent years, but the changes all seem aimed at reaching out to more students (while desperately trying to not alienate its more conservative base), not fewer. This attempt to explain away its eroding student body is an old one, however, going all the way back to this 1994 video in which Bob Jones III predicts that the school “will get a lot smaller,” and offers similar explanations to those seen above almost 20 years later.

It’s unusual to see a BJU social media page making this kind of detailed explanation, and, buried in the comments as it is, it probably won’t see much exposure. It’s not known whether the page admins had the blessing of any higher-ups at the school or whether this is just one person’s opinion.

BJU Not Seeking NLNAC or CCNE Nursing Accreditation

According to a comment on its Facebook page today, BJU is officially not seeking or interested in accreditation through NLNAC or CCNE for its Nursing program:

The current BJU Nursing page says the program is “approved by the South Carolina State Board of Nursing” but contains no other information on accreditation.

Bob Jones III Uses Chapel To Blast “Bloggers Who Ruin Lives”, BJU Withholds Audio [UPDATED]

According to several witnesses in Chapel today and student tweets, Bob Jones III railed against “bloggers who ruin lives” during today’s service. The tirade was seemingly in response to the revelation made last week regarding former BJU Chief Branding Officer Joseph Bartosch.


BJU has so far declined to upload audio of this morning’s service to Sermon Audio, as it often does for Jones’s famous attacks. If the audio is ever uploaded we’ll update this post.